Future Devonian Meetings

4th ICOS - International Conodont Symposium

Valencia (Spain)

25-30 June 2017


5th IPC - International Palaeontological Congress

Paris (France)

9-13 July 2018

 
 

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SDS Minutes 2010

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Minutes of the SDS Business Meeting

Lecture Theatre 1.47, Imperial College , London , UK

Thursday 1st July 2010

 

 

1. Introduction and apologies for absence

2. Approval of 2009 Minutes

3. Chairman’s Business

4. ICS Matters

5. Devonian Substages

6. SDS Publications

7.  Future Meetings 

8. Financial Report

9. Future Meetings

10. Any other Business

 

 

The SDS business meeting for 2010 took place during the 2010 International Palaeontological Congress (IPC3).

   

Attendance: The Chair (R.T. Becker ), Vice-Chair (A. El Hassani ) & Secretary (J.E.A. Marshall), TM’s A. Blieck , C.E. Brett , Chen Xiu-Qing, N. Izokh, U. Jansen , Ma Xueping, J. Over , E. Schindler, J.I. Valenzuela-Ríos, CM’s G.C. Baird, K. Bakharev , A.J. Bartholomew , F. Bigey , D. Brice , R. Brocke , P. Budil, P. Bultynck, C. Burrow , C. Corradini, S. Kaiser, E. Lukševičs, H. Matyja, B. Mistiaen, L. Slavik, C. Spalletta, Guests SCS Secretary M. Aretz, O. Artyushkova, O. Babek, C. Crônier, A-C. Dasilva, J. Denayer, C. Dojen, I. Evdokimova, B. Hubert, Hui Luo, J. Kalvoda, O. Kossovaya, Li Chun-Xiang, Liao Jau-Chyn, V. Mantsurova, R. Owens, E. V. Pazukhin, E. Pinte, E. Poty, Qi Feng, N. Savage, O. Tel’nova, M. Tuite, Wan Zhen-Zhu, J. Zambito.

 

  

1. Introduction and apologies for absence

The meeting started at 9:05. The Chairman welcomed the participants with thanks to the organizers of the IPC3 for supporting the SDS Devonian Session and the Business Meeting. The agenda was distributed. The SDS membership had been notified of the meeting by an email circular. But it was noted that 5% were being returned as incorrect. The membership is urged to update their addresses, with notes to the Secretary or Chai, as soon as any change occurs.

The list of apologies was reported: TM's, Casier , Hladil , Tsyganko, Racki ; CM’s Kim, Obut, Kirchgasser, Rakhmonov, Sandberg, Slavik, Talent, Turner, ver Straeten.

 

2. Approval of 2009 Minutes

The Chair reported that SDS Newsletter 25 had been circulated in March 2010. It included the minutes of the 2009 Annual SDS Business Meeting in Cincinnati . The Chair then asked for any corrections to these minutes. There were none and the minutes were approved unanimously. 

 

3. Chairman’s Business

The SDS had been very active although not everything had been achieved. It was deeply mourned that our long standing and very active former TM from Novosibirsk , Evgeny Yolkin had died. Also, the famous Devonian ostracode worker G. Becker from Frankfurt, member of the German SDS, died at the end of 2009 and Tom Dutro from New York , who led SDS Field Trips to New York State , in June 2010.

 The SDS Newsletter had included the ICS report and a very useful summary of publications. We had had the very excellent meeting in Cincinnati organised by Carl Brett and colleagues. The field trips to the Devonian of Kentucky, Ohio , and Michigan were outstanding. The Chair reported that he had been in Oslo in January 2010 to see Felix Gradstein and Jim Ogg, the main editors of the forthcoming new edition of the Geological Timescale book (GTS). He was busy compiling the Devonian chapter. This was to replace the GTS 2004 and had already been scheduled for 2004, 2010 and 2011 but 2012 seemed more likely. It will include very detailed correlation charts with the detailed zonations of conodonts, ammonoids, dacryoconarids, graptolites, ostracodes, and fish groups. They are based on updated correlation charts as produced by K. Weddige . Jim Ogg, the ISS Chair, has informed us that the Devonian charts would be nicely drawn by Time Scale Creator (open access freeware). All the data would be input into TSC. All SDS members would be able to download the charts to check them using TSC (www.tscreator.org). The Devonian chapter is still missing the coloured GSSP illustrations, which have to include photos of the defining taxon from the GSSP bed.

E. Schindler noted the contribution of Manfred Menning (Chairman of the German Stratigraphic Commission) with his compilation of Devonian, Carboniferous and Permian charts. These included ammonoids, conodonts, miospores, fish, graptolites and ostracodes. The Time Scale Creator is seen as a very useful tool that includes an easy learning programme. A view reiterated by P. Budil.

 The Chair although happy with the stratigraphic charts regarded them as not being perfect. There were serious problems with time scaling using now obsolete ages. The time scale was linear to Ma. The last summary by B. Kaufmann (2006) had, for example, partly used sediment thicknesses to scale between the tie-points (especially in the Famennian). After the Oslo IGC the geochronology group of Mark Schmitz and Mike Villeneuve had recalibrated all Devonian dates and made a number of decisions. Age dates were now graded with 6th class ages discarded. 1st and 2nd class ages were regarded as optimal. The recalibration has changed some age dates by 2-3 my with some error bars now < 1 my. This will form the basis of the vertical scaling. The Emsian to early Eifelian interval was now very different. The Tioga Ash and Hunsrück ages were regarded as high quality data points whereas the Wetteldorf ages were of low quality, with up to 5 Ma of uncertainty. It is clear that more and better Wetteldorf zircon ages are required. The late Emsian to early Eifelian interval now has a 15-17 my duration, which appears to be extremely long. Nacho Valenzuela-Ríos noted that some dates were probably in error and we had to be careful in using obsolete dates. In contrast, zonations were good but ages change. We have to work towards getting the fossils as accurate as possible and then link the absolute dates to our zones.

 It was noted that the Hunsrück bentonite was well correlated as it occurred with ammonoids and darcryoconarids. The Tioga Ashes were similarly reliable. The Secretary observed that this was all in our control. We needed a systematic programme of zircon dating. Carl Brett noted the problems with the Esopus Formation. There was a 417-415 age above the Kalkberg, the upper part of the lower Lochkovian. This gives the S/D boundary estimate of 416/417 Ma. But there were no dates in the Silurian below.

 It was affirmed that the geochronology group wanted the Devonian as a case study for the Phanerozoic. But it was emphasized that the acquisition of dates was very tedious. It takes up to 6 months of analytical work to get a high-resolution absolute date. We also needed to focus more on counting Milankovitch cycles. We should aim to get the precise numbers of cycles within clearly fixed conodont zones. The Chair noted that Sven Hartenfels had in his PhD counted all the thin limestone cycles in the Famennian of Rhenish sections from ca. the velifer to Middle expansa zones.  

The Secretary noted that Jessica Whiteside from Brown University , who had worked on Triassic/Jurassic cycles, intended to ‘adopt’ the Devonian. We needed to make contact. Nacho Valenzuela-Ríos noted that it was important to be careful with the statistics of cycle counting. Lots of work had been done by Ivo Chlupáč on the Barrandian. It was also recognized that there were 160 cycles in the Hollardops Limestone Member of the basal Upper Emsian in SW Morocco . Ladislav Slavík noted that it could be difficult to count precise cycles in the Barrandian Emsian-Eifelian. Carl Brett reported on joint work from Morocco where Upper Emsian cycles had been counted from localities 70 km apart where the limestones pinched and swelled. There were the same number cycles. Ladislav Slavík noted that we needed scales of cycles with palaeontological ranges. Ultimately we should work towards a calibration of zones and cycles in separate basins.

 It was noted that the GTS was now orbitally tuned down to the Cretaceous; we need to do this at some stage for the Devonian. Nacho Valenzuela-Ríos remarked that it was important to have an agreement to what constituted a cycles. It was generally agreed that we should have a cycle session at some future SDS meeting.

 There was a SDS document submitted by Charlie Sandberg, dealing with the conodont age of the Alamo Impact and of Belgium Frasnian reefs. Apologies were given for his absence since, very sadly, his wife Dorothe, who was at the Nevada SDS Field Meeting, had died. The document will be placed in the next Newsletter (see Document section). Peter Königshof reported that samples studied by Willi Ziegler and Charlie Sandberg had now been returned from Denver . But it was often still difficult to find things. Peter Königshof is officially the curator of this collection. This meant that new data were now available. The Alamo Breccia was from the upper part of the punctata zone. Therefore it did not correlate with the base of the mid Frasnian transgression. It was equivalent to the Cassaquoy rather than the Middlesex transgressions. The extinction of the F2 Lion Mud Mound reefs was now in the upper part of MN zone 8 and recognized globally. It was equivalent to the upper Rhinestreet Event.

The Chair reminded us about the excellent Kitab Reserve meeting ( Uzbekistan ) in 2009. Some reports were in the last SDS Newsletter, others are still awaited. A goniatite report had been included in SDS Newsletter 25 but more were expected for other groups. We need to know about research progress and better understand the Pragian-Emsian problems. Nadia Izokh reported on the Kitab meeting. Information on conodonts, dacryoconarids/tentaculitids, corals, brachiopods and bryozoans were to be published in a Supplement of the Journal of Geology and Geophysics, Novosibirsk . This was expected at the end of 2010. A summary would be available for the SDS Newsletter and a pdf on the website.

 Ladislav Slavík reported on results from Uzbekistan including graphic logs and isotopes. This was still in progress but the data was needed for the Novosibirsk meeting. The gamma ray and MS logs were done. The first preliminary results showed there were no polygnathids at the proposed future basal Emsian boundary interval. Results were being discussed by Nacho Valenzuela-Ríos and Nadia Izokh. The Chair wondered why the polygnathid record has disappeared; obviously they were always rare, with only 2 specimens. Nadia Izokh reported that Bed 32/33 contained lots of P. excavatus. But they didn’t find good ones 2 years ago when the unit was re-collected in 2009. It was emphasized that the different groups needed to interface. Reports were required for the Newsletter plus pdf’s for the SDS homepage.

4. ICS Matters

The SDS Chair had attended the ICS meeting in Prague . This had included an ICS workshop for 2.5 days that had mostly discussed the GSSP concept. However, there had been a discussion about the use of Ma to represent geochronological ages as distinct from my or myr to represent intervals of time. The Secretary (who was not in Prague ) clarified the concept of geological time as distinct from an interval of time. Geological time only happens once.  [For further reference see http://www.geosociety.org/TimeUnits/ and Aubry, M.-P., Van Couvering, J.A., Christie-Blick, N., Landing, E., Pratt, B.R., Owen, D.E., and Ferrusquía-Villafranca, I. , 2009, Terminology of geological time: Establishment of a community standard. Stratigraphy, 6, 100-105]

 There was also a discussion on the use of stages and ages. In future, geochronology shall strictly use ages and not stages.

 The discussion on GSSP’s included a number of presentations upwards from the base of the geological column. The Chair gave a presentation on Devonian substages and the current status of the Devonian-Carboniferous boundary. He reported that there were still big problems in the sub-division of the Ordovician and that the Ordovician-Silurian boundary required revision.

 Guidelines were issued on writing a GSSP proposal. As regards the Devonian there were problems with the Pragian and the first entry of its marker, Eognathodus sulcatus. It does not enter at the GSSP but is already present one bed below. Elsewhere ( Nevada ) it could start even earlier. There was also the problem that the Mid-Late Devonian boundary index conodont from the GSSP bed had never been figured. There were specimens of Ancyrodella rotundiloba figured from the beds above the boundary. Those at the boundary were different from those published by Klapper (1985) in the Palaeontographica monograph. There appears to be no ancyrodellid lineage at the GSSP but it is defined by the first appearance of the oldest Ancyrodella representatives. It is surprising that this got through the GSSP approval system. The new guidelines require more details and rigor, including specimen curation.     

 However, there were no rules, as yet, about sub-stages. The Chair noted that there was a recommendation from Felix Gradstein to Stan Finney (ICS Chair) that the procedure should be the same as for stages. Stan Finney now needed to discuss this with the IUGS. The Chair had raised this issue already at the Oslo IGC and clear direction was required. He reported that the Triassic Smithian and Spathian are also widely used and that they should become formal substages of the Olenekian. The Visean also was recommended for sub-stages but the Carboniferous Subcommission is currently still busy with their remaining stage definitions.

 As regards sub-stages and the SDS, the recommendation is a publication with a formal recommendation. Nacho Valenzuela-Ríos stressed that a defined stratotype was required. It was agreed that Pierre Bultynck, Sofie Gouwy, Thomas Becker , Sarah Aboussalam, and others should publish accounts of the Givetian sub-stages including the regional reference section to show that the procedure works. These should be published together, probably in Episodes, as a series of short papers, although yet to be ratified by the ICS. The papers should be sent as formal substage proposals to ICS, awaiting a decision on their procedures (which are now unclear for several years). Tatiana Koren emphasized that we must do sub-stages. The Silurian subdivision was created in the 1960’s. We now recognize that the Silurian stages are sub-stages and that the current British series become the true stages.

5. Devonian Substages

5.1 Pragian and Emsian sub-stages

There had been no progress on Emsian sub-stages. But some progress had been made on the Daleje Event in Morocco . There was some discussion about the Lower and Upper Emsian. A nowakiid monograph was in preparation but progress was slow. Jiří Frýda reported that it would still take some time and would not be finished this year. Stanislava Berkyová had been doing some work on the conodonts and tentaculitids. Jiří Frýda was leading a task group on this boundary.

Pierre Bultynck noted that the La Grange nowakiids were published but there were still problems in the upper part with Polygnathus gilberti. There was a lack of ongoing dacryoconarid work.

Nacho Valenzuela-Ríos had been studying the Lower-Upper Emsian boundary and studied several tons of limestone. The collections included P. gilberti in the late laticostatus-inversus Zone and several new taxa. The conodonts were important for a future definition and the papers should include new data from the Pyrenees and a report on the dacryoconarids by Eberhard Schindler.

 

5.2 Eifelian sub-stages

Again there was only limited discussion. Carl Brett noted the base kockelianus Stoney Hollow Event and this was now recognised as an important eustatic signal. However, we should define Eifelian sub-stages last.

 

5.3 Givetian and Frasnian

These were covered by the decision to publish in Episodes. We needed an additional hermanni Zone section from America . Jeff Over reported that there was no new information on the Frasnian substages. Nacho Valenzuela-Ríos noted that the Givetian subdivision worked well in the Pyrenees .

 

5.4 Famennian

We can now propose a vote on the sub-division of the Uppermost Famennian. The Nevada volume with the new data by Kaiser et al. has been published (Palaeontographica Americana). In addition Sven Hartenfels had submitted his PhD thesis on the middle/upper Famennian which totalled 400 pp. and numerous plates. However, the conodonts (almost 80,000 Pa elements) were not so helpful for the definition of an Upper Famennian base. It was suggested that the base of the Annulata Event should be used for the mid-upper Famennian boundary. Scaphignathus velifer velifer and Palmatolepis rugosa trachytera range into the first shale (or black limestone) but not the Upper Annulata Event layer. However, many sections only contained a single shale. So, the onset of the black shale was important. This was known from Australia , South China, Iran , Morocco and Europe (Carnic Alps, Bulgaria ). This definition used a physical event (with ammonoids) so we needed to think about it. Nacho Valenzuela-Ríos was concerned about the lack of conodonts.

The Uppermost Famennian vote would be held shortly. The Lower-Middle Famennian would also be voted on, choosing between the base of the rhomboidea (as recommended by Maurice Streel ) and base of the marginifera Zone (proposals by Thomas Becker, Willi Ziegler, Charlie Sandberg, etc.).

 

 6. SDS Publications

The Nevada volume was now out, including the fieldguide on CD.

 

There was the new IGCP publication edited by Peter Konigshof on Devonian Change. This was supported by the SDS and had been published by the Geological Society of London (Special Publication 314).

 

Also from the IGCP 497/499 meeting in Frankfurt there was a special volume of Gondwana Research (volume 17) on The Rheic Ocean: Palaeozoic Evolution from Gondwana and Laurussia to Pangaea edited by Damian Nance.

 

Carl Brett gave an update on the SDS Palaeo3 volumes. It had been held up by two late contributions but was now with Fred Kop at Elsevier. The first volume would go to into the journal next month. It should have a 2010 date, at least as electronic pre-print. Contributions were still required for the second volume.  

 

There will be a Memoirs of the Australasian Palaeontologists Memoir 39 (Siluro-Devonian Studies 1, Editor: D.J Holloway & J.R Laurie), to be published in July/August. It includes an Uzbekistan Lower/Middle Devonian trilobite paper in memory of E.A. Yolkin (Owens et al.)..

 

The GTS 2012 was forthcoming.

 

There was some discussion about a volume from the SDS session at the London IPC3. Possible places to publish included Neues Jahrbuch für Geologie und Paläontologie, Bulletin of Geoscience, Acta Palaeontologica Polonica, Palaeo3 and as a Geological Society of London Special Publication. A show of hands showed that there might be 10 manuscripts. A deadline was set for the end of 2011.

 

7.  Future Meetings

Future meeting with SDS contributions include:

 

The 2010 meeting in France as part of the 4th Congress of Stratigraphy, August 13th-September 2rd. This included Palaeozoic stratigraphy, palaeogeography and climate. Contributions were to be sent to Bruno Granier.

 

There was to be a German SDS session at the October 2010 GeoDarmstadt meeting in Germany .

 

IGCP 580 Application of Magnetic Susceptibility on Palaeozoic sedimentary rocks have a November meeting in South China including a 4-5 day fieldtrip. There was a link to this on the SDS webpage.

 

In September 2010 there will be a meeting on biostratigraphic events in La Plata City as part of the 10th Argentinian Congress on Biostratigraphy and Palaeontology.

 

In 2011 we have the main SDS meeting in the Urals, Novosibirsk (conference), Salair and the Kuznetsk. The first circular was on the SDS website. Nadia Izokh reported that an email circular had also been sent out. This would be a meeting in memory of Evgeny A. Yolkin and would also include some Carboniferous.

 

In 2011 there was the 8th Baltic Stratigraphy Conference in Riga at the end of August. This would last for 10 days, including a Devonian fieldtrip.

 

In 2012 there will be the IGC in Brisbane , Australia . A symposium on the “Devonian of Asia and Australia ” has been formerly proposed to the organizers by the Chair. There were possible Devonian fieldtrips to East Australia and the South-east Asian Devonian in Thailand . It was reported that Norman Savage was leading an informal trip in November (1st-5th) of 2010 to Thailand . There was brief discussion of a more formal SDS meeting in Thailand for later years, possibly in connection with a new Devonian IGCP.

 

For the 2013 meeting we were invited back to Morocco by Ahmed El Hassani. This would be a joint Devonian and Carboniferous meeting in spring, with 5 days of fieldwork in SE Morocco , concentrating on new sections that were not visited during previous meetings. We would meet in a Tafilalt hotel. Subsequently, visits to the Devonian and Lower Carboniferous would follow, involving the Carboniferous group of A. Aretz and H.G. Herbig.

 

Also in 2013 the ICOS meeting would be in Mendoza , Argentina . It would be in July with pre and post field excursions to San Juan and Salta . Maria Cristina Perri was one of the organisers.

 

Then in 2014 we had the IPC4, venue yet to be decided.   

 

9. SDS Membership

9.1 New CM’s

The following new CM’s were elected.

Thomas Suttner (conodonts, reefs), Austria , proposed by R.T. Becker & E. Schindler                          

Petr Budil (trilobites and the Kacak Event), Czech Republic , proposed by J. Hladil and R.T. Becker

Irina Evdokimova (ostracodes), Russia, proposed by V. Tsyganko & T. Koren

Elena Sokiran (brachiopods), Russia , proposed by V. Tsyganko & T. Koren

Olga Artyuskova (conodonts), Ufa, Russia, proposed by N. Izokh & R.T. Becker

David Johnston (conodonts), western Canada , proposed by R.T. Becker &. J Over

 

9.2 New TM’s

TM’s are only elected at IGC’s. The Chair reminded SDS members that he had done the maximum of two terms and he was required to step down in Brisbane . An election would be held with senior SDS members accepting voting proposals and counting the votes. The term of the Vice Chairman will also end in 2012. The new Chairman will pick a secretary.

 

8. Financial Report (this item was taken out of order)

 

INCOME

carried over from 2009                                       356 $

IUGS subvention 2010                                     2000 $

(including an extra allocation by the ICS Chair)

Sum                                                                      2356 $

 

EXPENSES

SDS Newsletter 26, printing/mailing                 500 $

Support for three members to attend IPC3

(SDS Business Meeting, Devonian Symposium and D/C Boundary Meeting)

                                                                              1400 $

Sum                                                                      1900 $

balance early 2011                                            456 $

 

We had to report that we had supported Kim from Uzbekistan to attend the London IPC3. But he had been refused a visa. This was despite the best efforts of the IPC3 organising committee and Thomas Becker .

 

10. AOB

Carl Brett gave thanks to the Secretary for organizing the spectacular trip to Orkney (and Scotland ) this was despite the complete lack in invertebrate fossils.

 

The meeting closed at ~11:20 for a short break before the Task Group D-C boundary meeting.